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cincinatty · Sep 27, 2009, 09:02 AM // 09:02

How and where do people get q8 max dmg items etc ?

Baku_The_Killer · Sep 27, 2009, 10:01 AM // 10:01

How : Killing enemies / Opening chests.

Where : Tyria and Cantha (everywhere). Elona (in some areas, they are quite hard to get becouse they have inscription slot)

turbo234 · Sep 27, 2009, 12:47 PM // 12:47

they drop just like any other weapon except the rate they drop is very very low

prey monkie · Sep 27, 2009, 12:56 PM // 12:56

being extremely lucky, my only decent q8 item i've ever got is a q8 al 16 gold shield, in eotn, sometimes get not maxed q8 items that sux-_-

jonnieboi05 · Sep 27, 2009, 02:12 PM // 14:12

From anywhere that involves opening a chest or killing an enemy.

~LeNa~

nitetime · Sep 27, 2009, 02:46 PM // 14:46

This is a good question. I think someone should pm each and every person selling a r8 item in Ventari. Ask them when and where they got it and get back to us. seriously.

cincinatty · Sep 27, 2009, 03:21 PM // 15:21

is q8 in blue/purple also worth any ?

turbo234 · Sep 27, 2009, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by cincinatty

is q8 in blue/purple also worth any ?

if it's an inscriptable tactics shield then yes

cincinatty · Sep 27, 2009, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by turbo234

if it's an inscriptable tactics shield then yes

Does that meen only tactics shield ? xD or just a example ?

Rekliss · Sep 27, 2009, 05:17 PM // 17:17

^

well i don't know about PM, but i'm sure you can ask.

Start a q8 drop research?

Rolandl · Sep 28, 2009, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by cincinatty

Does that meen only tactics shield ? xD or just a example ?

Tactic shields are often sought after by casters who uses defensive warrior secondaries for blocks or stances.

dilan155 · Sep 28, 2009, 12:51 PM // 12:51

you get them like any other drop, through killing. Uninscribable ones with sought after perfect mods are worth more.

Dragons Avatar · Sep 28, 2009, 03:24 PM // 15:24

q8 shields are probably most popular, however any other max q8 item is often sought after by collectors, some just like to have every item in every color.

Some buy blue/purple q8 items simply because they are cheaper than the gold ones. But theyre deff still worth some good money depending on skin and attribute

Yawgmoth · Sep 29, 2009, 04:32 AM // 04:32

For the first ~18 months since release - before the dreaded update which made Nightfall continent open max req.8 items were normal drops for all kinds of weapons and were as common as for example req.11 and max req.7 items were possible but somewhat rare.

Now any high level source in any campagin can drop max req8 blues but most sources that can drop req.8 blue can't drop max req8 purples and golds. The only max req.8 items that can drop after the big nasty nerf are foci, shields and swords.

wilderness · Sep 29, 2009, 03:37 PM // 15:37

q8 items were never common as drops, and certainly never AS common as q11... I've only ever seen one q8 inherent max item drop in my 5 years of playing. And I used to farm A LOT.

There used to be more on the market as they were still dropping, that's all. q7 and q8 max inherent items no longer drop. Those you see for sale are pre-nightfall remnants being passed between high-end collectors.

q8 gold Inscription items are very rare drops per player, but simple enough to find for sale due to the mass amount of people farming.

Yawgmoth · Sep 29, 2009, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I'm absolutely sure that q8 max gold items before NF release update were NOT any more rare than q9 OR q10 OR q11 as drops, they were just in higher demand, more expensive and harder to get in trade. It's exactly the same with 15^50 inherents, they were never more rare than for example 15^stance but many people thought otherwise. They were under the impression of the market, seeing more higher req's than q8s and more +15^(something else) than +15^50 being sold, especially for their favorite skin.

Now req.8 inherents CAN drop just aswell as inscribables, the base stat generation algorithms work the same in all campagins. They are just very rare, even more than req.7s before the big bad nerf.

wilderness · Sep 29, 2009, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

I'm absolutely sure that q8 max gold items before NF release update were NOT any more rare than q9 OR q10 OR q11 as drops, they were just in higher demand, more expensive and harder to get in trade. It's exactly the same with 15^50 inherents, they were never more rare than for example 15^stance but many people thought otherwise. They were under the impression of the market, seeing more higher req's than q8s and more +15^(something else) than +15^50 being sold, especially for their favorite skin.

Now req.8 inherents CAN drop just aswell as inscribables, the base stat generation algorithms work the same in all campagins. They are just very rare, even more than req.7s before the big bad nerf.

Untrue.

There have always been less q8s and q7s available because of their lesser drop rates. The reason q7 and q8 are so highly coveted is because of the inherent rarity in finding them as drops.

I've played for 5 years. I spent a good deal of that time farming and only once in all that time have I ever seen a q8 max inherent drop (plenty of q8s, just not max). I've seen hundreds of max q9 and up. This is the same for pretty much everyone I know well in GWs.

I'm not sure what you're basing your data on, but I can assure you you're very mistaken.

As for the question of q8 inherents still dropping, I'll refer you to my post here and say if you can't provide evidence to back up the claim, then you really shouldn't spout it.

Yawgmoth · Sep 30, 2009, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by wilderness

Untrue.

There have always been less q8s and q7s available because of their lesser drop rates. The reason q7 and q8 are so highly coveted is because of the inherent rarity in finding them as drops.

I've played for 5 years. I spent a good deal of that time farming and only once in all that time have I ever seen a q8 max inherent drop (plenty of q8s, just not max). I've seen hundreds of max q9 and up. This is the same for pretty much everyone I know well in GWs.

I'm not sure what you're basing your data on, but I can assure you you're very mistaken.

As for the question of q8 inherents still dropping, I'll refer you to my post here and say if you can't provide evidence to back up the claim, then you really shouldn't spout it.

I must strongly disagree.
What have you been doing before Nightfall release? Certainly not paying attention to reqs of the random crappy (but still max) golds you picked up.
I have started doing research on GW drop systems and droprates during it's late beta weekends (after the overhaul that put strict caps on max item stats) and I've always been watching closely everything, even the crappiest whites that dropped for other party members. I got some knowledge

I have had huge loads of max gold q8s drop for me in 2005/06, but they were nothing special back then, everyone who found golds had found some. They were just ordinary drops, approx 1/6 of all golds dropped. Only max req7s were far far more rare.

I can't move back in time to prove you what the droprates were back then if you didn't care back then, but If you want some proof I suggest looking at very old SELL (not High-End) threads from early/mid 2006 - people have been selling tons of total crap there of all reqs. Just go through a significant number of threads and COMPARE the number of max gold req8s to max gold req9s being sold.

It was the update that went live 27th Oct 2006 at about 05:00AM GMT that changed everything.

The change that should matter here the most was that they changed the minimum req allowed for max level items from 8 into 9. This caused max req7 to stop dropping entirely and max req8s replacing them as the odd rarities. That change from 8 to 9 extrapolated to lower levels created different anomaly breakpoints and caused max req8s to be now actually more rare drops than max req7 were before the nerf.

The change was global - affected old content in the same way as just launched Nightfall.

What shouldn't be anything unusual, I've had quite a bunch inherent q8s drop for me since NF release (after they become rare), but most of them were blues (obv insta-merch).
:: Fact:: the chance for getting a max blue req8 is the same in Tyria/Cantha and in inscription lands. Similarily, the chance for a 15al/q7 shield of any color from a level 20 monster is the same in all continents. Only thing that changes is the moddability.

I've screenshotted one gold max q8 I had dropped for me this year in Factions:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/706/q8golddrop.jpg
(still got full screenshot this was cropped from, if someone calls this shopped)

wilderness · Sep 30, 2009, 01:00 PM // 13:00

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

I must strongly disagree.
What have you been doing before Nightfall release? Certainly not paying attention to reqs of the random crappy (but still max) golds you picked up.
I have started doing research on GW drop systems and droprates during it's late beta weekends (after the overhaul that put strict caps on max item stats) and I've always been watching closely everything, even the crappiest whites that dropped for other party members. I got some knowledge

I have had huge loads of max gold q8s drop for me in 2005/06, but they were nothing special back then, everyone who found golds had found some. They were just ordinary drops, approx 1/6 of all golds dropped. Only max req7s were far far more rare.

I can't move back in time to prove you what the droprates were back then if you didn't care back then, but If you want some proof I suggest looking at very old SELL (not High-End) threads from early/mid 2006 - people have been selling tons of total crap there of all reqs. Just go through a significant number of threads and COMPARE the number of max gold req8s to max gold req9s being sold.

It was the update that went live 27th Oct 2006 at about 05:00AM GMT that changed everything.

The change that should matter here the most was that they changed the minimum req allowed for max level items from 8 into 9. This caused max req7 to stop dropping entirely and max req8s replacing them as the odd rarities. That change from 8 to 9 extrapolated to lower levels created different anomaly breakpoints and caused max req8s to be now actually more rare drops than max req7 were before the nerf.

The change was global - affected old content in the same way as just launched Nightfall.

What shouldn't be anything unusual, I've had quite a bunch inherent q8s drop for me since NF release (after they become rare), but most of them were blues (obv insta-merch).
:: Fact:: the chance for getting a max blue req8 is the same in Tyria/Cantha and in inscription lands. Similarily, the chance for a 15al/q7 shield of any color from a level 20 monster is the same in all continents. Only thing that changes is the moddability.

I've screenshotted one gold max q8 I had dropped for me this year in Factions:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/706/q8golddrop.jpg
(still got full screenshot this was cropped from, if someone calls this shopped)

I'm sorry, but there's nothing on screen that proves this was taken so recently (which is the problem with all claims of q8s still dropping).

And of course there were more q8s back then, but they were still far rarer to find as a drop than the higher reqs. Of course you're going to see a lot more q8 sell threads, that's because people were much more interested in q8s than anything else.

It's like going to Kamadan now: 'Wts BDS' floods the trade channel, and it might lead you to believe that's because they're common, but that's nothing to do with it. You're seeing various BDS being handed back and forth (turn-over of items is very high amongst high-end traders) and, most importantly, you're NOt seeing as many lesser items being sold as there's very little interest in them.

Have you tried farming a BDS? You'll be extremely lucky if you find a q13 Smiting version.

This reflects how the q8 market used to be. Drop rates were very low, items were being handed back and forth, and the reason there appeared more than other reqs is because they held the most interest and not because there were the same amount or more of them.

It's a simple logic.

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If you can provide evidence that that screen shot was made post-nightfall, I'd be satisfied.

Yawgmoth · Sep 30, 2009, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Don't bring the BDS example here, the market has changed dramatically since the days Q8s were normal common drops. Back then even crappy golds were sellable. We all know how it looks today.

Before NF Q8s were not rare at all and people didn't care anywhere that much about whether they were q8 or q9, (except the most high-end items like Crystallines or things like 15^50 Fellblades), that's why I told you to watch the threads where people sell random crap, req8s mixed with req12s and all of them equally crappy, so there's no bias.

About screenshots:
There's a Destroyer Spear and Tengu Focus on that screenshot, and if you zoom and look very closely you may see my ele wearing elite vabbian through the item panel (I see her but I'm used to seeing her look like that), I can upload full original screenshot from the game (recorded with date 2009/01/13) with full inventory open and skillbar containing post-NF skills, but I don't want anybody [email protected] build :S

But here's another one, more recent and more clear:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7803/q8assign.jpg

And an interesting bit of fact: Purples aren't any different than Golds when it comes to base stat (not mods) generation - I mean if a purple (item class, not skin) can drop with a given combination of base stats and requirements then that same source can also drop it in gold with exactly the same base stat/req. EXCEPTION: Post NF Staffs - their generation code was completely rewritten in the 25Oct'06 update and uses different parameters for purples and golds.

I did a lot of research on the drop system back in 2005 and I knew back then that for example requirements for golds and purples dropping from 600g+ chests were DISTRIBUTED EVENLY - on average the same number of Q8, Q9, Q10, Q11, Q12 and Q13 dropped. It's not a coincidence that the distribution is the same today, just with the Q8s removed.
Another interesting bit of fact: Did you know that Q13 items were MORE rare than Q8 or Q10 when they dropped from most commonly farmed mobs back then (Desert Griffons, Minotaurs, Vermins, etc.)? I know also WHY that happens, but that's going offtopic here.

Sep 27, 2009, 09:02 AM // 09:02	#1
cincinatty Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Norway Guild: [yadi] Profession: A/E	Q8 items How and where do people get q8 max dmg items etc ?

Sep 29, 2009, 03:37 PM // 15:37	#15
wilderness tinyurl.com/6hqar7a Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: We Couldn't Figure Out A Name [LMAO] Profession: W/N	q8 items were never common as drops, and certainly never AS common as q11... I've only ever seen one q8 inherent max item drop in my 5 years of playing. And I used to farm A LOT. There used to be more on the market as they were still dropping, that's all. q7 and q8 max inherent items no longer drop. Those you see for sale are pre-nightfall remnants being passed between high-end collectors. q8 gold Inscription items are very rare drops per player, but simple enough to find for sale due to the mass amount of people farming. Last edited by wilderness; Sep 29, 2009 at 03:41 PM // 15:41..

Sep 27, 2009, 10:01 AM // 10:01	#2
Baku_The_Killer Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2008 Location: Spain Guild: My heros are my own guild. Profession: W/	How : Killing enemies / Opening chests. Where : Tyria and Cantha (everywhere). Elona (in some areas, they are quite hard to get becouse they have inscription slot)

Sep 27, 2009, 12:47 PM // 12:47	#3
turbo234 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WI Profession: Mo/	they drop just like any other weapon except the rate they drop is very very low

Sep 27, 2009, 12:56 PM // 12:56	#4
prey monkie Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2009 Guild: [OhNo] Mallyx and Friends Profession: Mo/	being extremely lucky, my only decent q8 item i've ever got is a q8 al 16 gold shield, in eotn, sometimes get not maxed q8 items that sux-_-

Sep 27, 2009, 02:12 PM // 14:12	#5
jonnieboi05 Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mableton, Georgia Guild: Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]	From anywhere that involves opening a chest or killing an enemy. ~LeNa~

Sep 27, 2009, 02:46 PM // 14:46	#6
nitetime Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: eotn Profession: W/	This is a good question. I think someone should pm each and every person selling a r8 item in Ventari. Ask them when and where they got it and get back to us. seriously.

Sep 27, 2009, 03:21 PM // 15:21	#7
cincinatty Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Norway Guild: [yadi] Profession: A/E	is q8 in blue/purple also worth any ?

Sep 27, 2009, 05:17 PM // 17:17	#10
Rekliss Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2009 Guild: [SMF]	^ well i don't know about PM, but i'm sure you can ask. Start a q8 drop research?

Sep 28, 2009, 12:51 PM // 12:51	#12
dilan155 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Location: living room Profession: N/	you get them like any other drop, through killing. Uninscribable ones with sought after perfect mods are worth more.

Sep 28, 2009, 03:24 PM // 15:24	#13
Dragons Avatar Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2007 Guild: None Profession: A/E	q8 shields are probably most popular, however any other max q8 item is often sought after by collectors, some just like to have every item in every color. Some buy blue/purple q8 items simply because they are cheaper than the gold ones. But theyre deff still worth some good money depending on skin and attribute

Sep 29, 2009, 04:32 AM // 04:32	#14
Yawgmoth Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2005	For the first ~18 months since release - before the dreaded update which made Nightfall continent open max req.8 items were normal drops for all kinds of weapons and were as common as for example req.11 and max req.7 items were possible but somewhat rare. Now any high level source in any campagin can drop max req8 blues but most sources that can drop req.8 blue can't drop max req8 purples and golds. The only max req.8 items that can drop after the big nasty nerf are foci, shields and swords.

Sep 29, 2009, 11:22 PM // 23:22	#16
Yawgmoth Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2005	I'm absolutely sure that q8 max gold items before NF release update were NOT any more rare than q9 OR q10 OR q11 as drops, they were just in higher demand, more expensive and harder to get in trade. It's exactly the same with 15^50 inherents, they were never more rare than for example 15^stance but many people thought otherwise. They were under the impression of the market, seeing more higher req's than q8s and more +15^(something else) than +15^50 being sold, especially for their favorite skin. Now req.8 inherents CAN drop just aswell as inscribables, the base stat generation algorithms work the same in all campagins. They are just very rare, even more than req.7s before the big bad nerf.

Sep 30, 2009, 05:01 PM // 17:01	#20
Yawgmoth Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2005	Don't bring the BDS example here, the market has changed dramatically since the days Q8s were normal common drops. Back then even crappy golds were sellable. We all know how it looks today. Before NF Q8s were not rare at all and people didn't care anywhere that much about whether they were q8 or q9, (except the most high-end items like Crystallines or things like 15^50 Fellblades), that's why I told you to watch the threads where people sell random crap, req8s mixed with req12s and all of them equally crappy, so there's no bias. About screenshots: There's a Destroyer Spear and Tengu Focus on that screenshot, and if you zoom and look very closely you may see my ele wearing elite vabbian through the item panel (I see her but I'm used to seeing her look like that), I can upload full original screenshot from the game (recorded with date 2009/01/13) with full inventory open and skillbar containing post-NF skills, but I don't want anybody [email protected] build :S But here's another one, more recent and more clear: http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7803/q8assign.jpg And an interesting bit of fact: Purples aren't any different than Golds when it comes to base stat (not mods) generation - I mean if a purple (item class, not skin) can drop with a given combination of base stats and requirements then that same source can also drop it in gold with exactly the same base stat/req. EXCEPTION: Post NF Staffs - their generation code was completely rewritten in the 25Oct'06 update and uses different parameters for purples and golds. I did a lot of research on the drop system back in 2005 and I knew back then that for example requirements for golds and purples dropping from 600g+ chests were DISTRIBUTED EVENLY - on average the same number of Q8, Q9, Q10, Q11, Q12 and Q13 dropped. It's not a coincidence that the distribution is the same today, just with the Q8s removed. Another interesting bit of fact: Did you know that Q13 items were MORE rare than Q8 or Q10 when they dropped from most commonly farmed mobs back then (Desert Griffons, Minotaurs, Vermins, etc.)? I know also WHY that happens, but that's going offtopic here.